evidence is really overwhelming against this particular defendant, stephen hayes. today we heard the final testimony from the fire investigator, and he just got off the witness stand, actually. the lawyers are back in the courtroom, and we believe that the defense may present some evidence. brief evidence. in defense of mr. hayes, but i will say the burden is always on the prosecution, drew, to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. everyone watching the trial i have been in new haven, connecticut, watching the trial will tell you the evidence against this defendant is overwhelming. >> you said there may be some kind of defense presented. do you have any knowledge of what that defense, what the tactic will be? >> we are -- i'm sure at this point, the judge presiding over this case just indicate add few moments ago that the defense will be presenting some evidence. it may be brief evidence, and so we're unclear yet as to which witnesses they will be presenting, but we do know that they will be presenting some sort of case in his defense. >> i've talked to so ma